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		<title>By: What should BarCamp NewsInnovation be? &#171; Jason Kristufek&#8217;s We Media blog</title>
		<link>http://chuckpeters.iowa.com/2008/07/core-of-all-the-gorillas/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>What should BarCamp NewsInnovation be? &#171; Jason Kristufek&#8217;s We Media blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what is it that we should focus on? What is the job to be done? Should we look at changing the way news organizations create information? What should we do with the talk about the news as components: sources, facts, ideas, opinions and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what is it that we should focus on? What is the job to be done? Should we look at changing the way news organizations create information? What should we do with the talk about the news as components: sources, facts, ideas, opinions and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Information in the First Instance &#171; C3 - Complete Community Connection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Information in the First Instance &#171; C3 - Complete Community Connection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] looking for discussions on changing the way we create information in the first instance, I was struck by the conversation between Jeff Jarvis and Dave Winer on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: danconover</title>
		<link>http://chuckpeters.iowa.com/2008/07/core-of-all-the-gorillas/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>danconover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possible? Yes. But in what context? In a business context, you&#039;re talking about executing a complex maneuver within existing institutional structures and doing it well enough that you can gain ground on competitors who are better adapted to this space in the market.

Realistically, how do you rate the odds of most poorly run newspaper companies when it comes to pulling off such a maneuver? At a moment when most newspaper chains are struggling to comprehend where they are now that they&#039;ve lost most of their market value.

What you prescribe is correct, but your first point whistles past an enormous graveyard: HOW do you convince top management to understand the issues? Because you simply can&#039;t act with any hope of success until that happens, and top management believes this kind of thinking is just hippie-talk.

The revolutionary thought? Why bother? Why not go outside these companies and start from scratch? Traditional media had an opportunity to extend its brand successfully into new media forms, but our industry botched that move several years ago (because profits weren&#039;t high enough and the culture of the Web annoyed and offended us).

The good news is, once these old companies lose their grip on local markets, there will be more meaningful opportunity to find the capital needed to challenge for shares of that market. I think we&#039;ll see historic and significant capital formation around new media startups during the coming recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possible? Yes. But in what context? In a business context, you&#8217;re talking about executing a complex maneuver within existing institutional structures and doing it well enough that you can gain ground on competitors who are better adapted to this space in the market.</p>
<p>Realistically, how do you rate the odds of most poorly run newspaper companies when it comes to pulling off such a maneuver? At a moment when most newspaper chains are struggling to comprehend where they are now that they&#8217;ve lost most of their market value.</p>
<p>What you prescribe is correct, but your first point whistles past an enormous graveyard: HOW do you convince top management to understand the issues? Because you simply can&#8217;t act with any hope of success until that happens, and top management believes this kind of thinking is just hippie-talk.</p>
<p>The revolutionary thought? Why bother? Why not go outside these companies and start from scratch? Traditional media had an opportunity to extend its brand successfully into new media forms, but our industry botched that move several years ago (because profits weren&#8217;t high enough and the culture of the Web annoyed and offended us).</p>
<p>The good news is, once these old companies lose their grip on local markets, there will be more meaningful opportunity to find the capital needed to challenge for shares of that market. I think we&#8217;ll see historic and significant capital formation around new media startups during the coming recession.</p>
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		<title>By: jpkenyon</title>
		<link>http://chuckpeters.iowa.com/2008/07/core-of-all-the-gorillas/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>jpkenyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog, Chuck, and some definite food for thought for those of us who make a living from delivering information content to readers.

I find Ms. Gahan&#039;s comment in your post interesting. She suggests journalists move away from what we typically think of as working a beat, and instead rely on users to generate at least some of that content while the journalists then provide analysis and context. Seems to me that&#039;s what bloggers do right now, with varying degrees of success and earning differing amounts of scorn from journalists -- they take content created by journalists or others and then provide context, amplify points, analyze, etc.

Ms. Gahan proposes flipping that on its head to a certain extent, which definitely flies in the face of the way most news operations work, and would probably incite all three of your gorillas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog, Chuck, and some definite food for thought for those of us who make a living from delivering information content to readers.</p>
<p>I find Ms. Gahan&#8217;s comment in your post interesting. She suggests journalists move away from what we typically think of as working a beat, and instead rely on users to generate at least some of that content while the journalists then provide analysis and context. Seems to me that&#8217;s what bloggers do right now, with varying degrees of success and earning differing amounts of scorn from journalists &#8212; they take content created by journalists or others and then provide context, amplify points, analyze, etc.</p>
<p>Ms. Gahan proposes flipping that on its head to a certain extent, which definitely flies in the face of the way most news operations work, and would probably incite all three of your gorillas.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; links for 2008-07-08&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; links for 2008-07-08&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Core of all the Gorillas « C3 - Complete Community Connection &#8220;even Amy melds content creation with product creation, which shows how deeply one of the main blockers is embedded in our orgs.&#8221; That&#8217;s a great point, I&#8217;ll have to pick up this discussion&#8230;. Other people are so helpful in pointing out my blind spots. (tags: assumptions media+evolution journalism mindset) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Core of all the Gorillas « C3 &#8211; Complete Community Connection &#8220;even Amy melds content creation with product creation, which shows how deeply one of the main blockers is embedded in our orgs.&#8221; That&#8217;s a great point, I&#8217;ll have to pick up this discussion&#8230;. Other people are so helpful in pointing out my blind spots. (tags: assumptions media+evolution journalism mindset) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: agahran</title>
		<link>http://chuckpeters.iowa.com/2008/07/core-of-all-the-gorillas/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>agahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just popping in quickly -- I think you raised a great point and I&#039;ll explore it further in my own blogging. But in the meantime, to clarify, the &quot;layers of journalistic insight/context&quot; I described could definitely be an aspect of building online community (where community, not product, is the focus).

Looking forward to continuing this discussion.

- Amy Gahran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just popping in quickly &#8212; I think you raised a great point and I&#8217;ll explore it further in my own blogging. But in the meantime, to clarify, the &#8220;layers of journalistic insight/context&#8221; I described could definitely be an aspect of building online community (where community, not product, is the focus).</p>
<p>Looking forward to continuing this discussion.</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran</p>
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		<title>By: contentninja</title>
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		<dc:creator>contentninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back, Chuck. :)

Re: No. 3. &quot;Dedicate experimental resources to using native XML digital assets ...&quot; Traditional media companies may not (probably do not) have adequate resources with the necessary skill sets, so we cannot underestimate the learning curve here.

And @neomaxcom makes a good point at WeMediaCommunity.org in response to this. He&#039;s right, we are &quot;too quick to discount as worthless those citizen contributions that don&#039;t fit the notion of journalism.&quot; We can be quite snobbish and must let go of being central figures if we are to successfully grow online communities.

We also cannot just label it a &quot;democratic space&quot; and allow everything in the name of free speech. There must be a clear mission, moderation and tools for the community to successfully maintain and protect itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back, Chuck. <img src='http://chuckpeters.iowa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re: No. 3. &#8220;Dedicate experimental resources to using native XML digital assets &#8230;&#8221; Traditional media companies may not (probably do not) have adequate resources with the necessary skill sets, so we cannot underestimate the learning curve here.</p>
<p>And @neomaxcom makes a good point at WeMediaCommunity.org in response to this. He&#8217;s right, we are &#8220;too quick to discount as worthless those citizen contributions that don&#8217;t fit the notion of journalism.&#8221; We can be quite snobbish and must let go of being central figures if we are to successfully grow online communities.</p>
<p>We also cannot just label it a &#8220;democratic space&#8221; and allow everything in the name of free speech. There must be a clear mission, moderation and tools for the community to successfully maintain and protect itself.</p>
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